Comments on: Bohm and ACIM: Holiness and Wholeness http://natecull.org/wordpress/2007/10/12/bohm-and-acim-holiness-and-wholeness/ The weblog of Nate Cull Mon, 8 Mar 2010 12:34:05 +1300 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Cautious http://natecull.org/wordpress/2007/10/12/bohm-and-acim-holiness-and-wholeness/comment-page-1/#comment-279 Cautious Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:17:03 +0000 http://natecull.org/wordpress/2007/10/12/bohm-and-acim-holiness-and-wholeness/#comment-279 "What is First Love".................The one that should take the first place above everything and everybody else. “What is First Love”……………..The one that should take the first place above everything and everybody else.

]]> By: cautious http://natecull.org/wordpress/2007/10/12/bohm-and-acim-holiness-and-wholeness/comment-page-1/#comment-222 cautious Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:35:03 +0000 http://natecull.org/wordpress/2007/10/12/bohm-and-acim-holiness-and-wholeness/#comment-222 Just geeky guys don't talk like that Just geeky guys don’t talk like that

]]> By: Nate http://natecull.org/wordpress/2007/10/12/bohm-and-acim-holiness-and-wholeness/comment-page-1/#comment-221 Nate Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:43:32 +0000 http://natecull.org/wordpress/2007/10/12/bohm-and-acim-holiness-and-wholeness/#comment-221 Also "A double minded man is unstable in all his ways" seems to be saying the same thing. And "no man can serve two masters". The two masters being God or sin (or the world/money/illusion). A sense that the 'narrow way' seems to twist and turn all over, but it's because it's actually our world (or our perception, or our valuing, of the world) that's so broken up into a labyrinth that what is actually a simple, straight path looks confused. Our money systems, our political systems all seem to do this weird thing like an Escher painting, where what is up becomes down without hardly trying. We start out trying to do good things, value what is good and devalue what's bad, but we end up with market bubbles and dictatorships... but not even all the time, we can't even rely on being totally bad and do the opposite! Without coming into that still, quiet inner place... but even then, it seems so hard to separate out our own voices from the real Voice. Also “A double minded man is unstable in all his ways” seems to be saying the same thing. And “no man can serve two masters”. The two masters being God or sin (or the world/money/illusion). A sense that the ‘narrow way’ seems to twist and turn all over, but it’s because it’s actually our world (or our perception, or our valuing, of the world) that’s so broken up into a labyrinth that what is actually a simple, straight path looks confused. Our money systems, our political systems all seem to do this weird thing like an Escher painting, where what is up becomes down without hardly trying. We start out trying to do good things, value what is good and devalue what’s bad, but we end up with market bubbles and dictatorships… but not even all the time, we can’t even rely on being totally bad and do the opposite! Without coming into that still, quiet inner place… but even then, it seems so hard to separate out our own voices from the real Voice.

]]> By: Nate http://natecull.org/wordpress/2007/10/12/bohm-and-acim-holiness-and-wholeness/comment-page-1/#comment-220 Nate Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:33:19 +0000 http://natecull.org/wordpress/2007/10/12/bohm-and-acim-holiness-and-wholeness/#comment-220 "The light of the body is the eye [maybe that means the way we see things]Therefore when your eye is single, your WHOLE body also is full of light; but when your eye is evil, your body also is full of darkness. Take heed therefore that the light which is in you be not darkness." Yes, that's one of the quotes from the Gospels that has new resonance or meaning for me. The idea of vision being so important. According to m-w.com: Evil:Etymology: Middle English, from Old English yfel; akin to Old High German ubil evil Vile: Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French vil, from Latin vilis Huh. I would've thought they came from the same root, but maybe it's even older than Latin. "SINGLE VISION…Seek ye first [not earthly pleasure……but] the love that knows no measure. {there we are again at that terrible word}" Yep! Actually I just read the rest of Bohm's first chapter, and he talks about "measure" as coming from the same root word (ratio) as "reason". The sense that all things that can be measured are of this world; the immeasurable is what is spiritual (eternal), I guess. "The heart has its reasons of which reason knows nothing", as Pascal said. "What is the FIRST love?…………………..What is FIRST works?" Good question. If unity/wholeness comes first, and then division, perhaps the first love is undivided love, and the first works are whatever we're made to do and wholeheartedly, unselfconsciously love doing? And perhaps we leave these whenever we get sidetracked by looking at the world or what other people tell us we should be doing, trying to measure ourselves? (How does the verse go? "To envy or compare yourselves with others is not wise"?) “The light of the body is the eye [maybe that means the way we see things]Therefore when your eye is single, your WHOLE body also is full of light; but when your eye is evil, your body also is full of darkness. Take heed therefore that the light which is in you be not darkness.”

Yes, that’s one of the quotes from the Gospels that has new resonance or meaning for me. The idea of vision being so important.

According to m-w.com:

Evil:Etymology: Middle English, from Old English yfel; akin to Old High German ubil evil
Vile: Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French vil, from Latin vilis

Huh. I would’ve thought they came from the same root, but maybe it’s even older than Latin.

“SINGLE VISION…Seek ye first [not earthly pleasure……but] the love that knows no measure. {there we are again at that terrible word}”

Yep! Actually I just read the rest of Bohm’s first chapter, and he talks about “measure” as coming from the same root word (ratio) as “reason”. The sense that all things that can be measured are of this world; the immeasurable is what is spiritual (eternal), I guess. “The heart has its reasons of which reason knows nothing”, as Pascal said.

“What is the FIRST love?…………………..What is FIRST works?”

Good question. If unity/wholeness comes first, and then division, perhaps the first love is undivided love, and the first works are whatever we’re made to do and wholeheartedly, unselfconsciously love doing? And perhaps we leave these whenever we get sidetracked by looking at the world or what other people tell us we should be doing, trying to measure ourselves? (How does the verse go? “To envy or compare yourselves with others is not wise”?)

]]> By: cautious http://natecull.org/wordpress/2007/10/12/bohm-and-acim-holiness-and-wholeness/comment-page-1/#comment-217 cautious Fri, 12 Oct 2007 03:37:41 +0000 http://natecull.org/wordpress/2007/10/12/bohm-and-acim-holiness-and-wholeness/#comment-217 What is the FIRST love?.......................What is FIRST works? What is the FIRST love?…………………..What is FIRST works?

]]> By: cautious http://natecull.org/wordpress/2007/10/12/bohm-and-acim-holiness-and-wholeness/comment-page-1/#comment-216 cautious Fri, 12 Oct 2007 03:33:46 +0000 http://natecull.org/wordpress/2007/10/12/bohm-and-acim-holiness-and-wholeness/#comment-216 SINGLE VISION...Seek ye first [not earthly pleasure......but] the love that knows no measure. {there we are again at that terrible word} ..............Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else [a threat, not mine] I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent...................First love, first works seem to be essential. What exactly are they? Maybe one should find out in a hurry. SINGLE VISION…Seek ye first [not earthly pleasure......but] the love that knows no measure. {there we are again at that terrible word} …………..Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else [a threat, not mine] I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent……………….First love, first works seem to be essential. What exactly are they? Maybe one should find out in a hurry.

]]> By: cautious http://natecull.org/wordpress/2007/10/12/bohm-and-acim-holiness-and-wholeness/comment-page-1/#comment-215 cautious Fri, 12 Oct 2007 03:08:02 +0000 http://natecull.org/wordpress/2007/10/12/bohm-and-acim-holiness-and-wholeness/#comment-215 The light of the body is the eye [maybe that means the way we see things]Therefore when your eye is single, your WHOLE body also is full of light; but when your eye is evil, your body also is full of darkness. Take heed therefore that the light which is in you be not darkness. If your WHOLE body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, the WHOLE shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle gives you light....................Evil versus single. Guess evil means double minded. Is the word evil derived from vile? Eminently vile? The light of the body is the eye [maybe that means the way we see things]Therefore when your eye is single, your WHOLE body also is full of light; but when your eye is evil, your body also is full of darkness. Take heed therefore that the light which is in you be not darkness. If your WHOLE body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, the WHOLE shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle gives you light………………..Evil versus single. Guess evil means double minded. Is the word evil derived from vile? Eminently vile?

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