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		<title>By: cautious</title>
		<link>http://natecull.org/wordpress/2007/10/09/a-mission-statement-of-sorts/comment-page-1/#comment-248</link>
		<dc:creator>cautious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 20:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why do historical processes keep churning?&quot;................Came across this strange text from Auth.KJ. 2 Esdras 5 :31-49. I don&#039;t quite understand it right now, but I think it has to do with that question</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why do historical processes keep churning?&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.Came across this strange text from Auth.KJ. 2 Esdras 5 :31-49. I don&#8217;t quite understand it right now, but I think it has to do with that question</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://natecull.org/wordpress/2007/10/09/a-mission-statement-of-sorts/comment-page-1/#comment-237</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;â€œWhy do historical processes keep churning?â€? â€¦.Iâ€™d say because there are still 2 kingdoms. They might partly overlap in places, but they are not totally congruent. Could that be?&#8221;</p>
<p>Probably, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: cautious</title>
		<link>http://natecull.org/wordpress/2007/10/09/a-mission-statement-of-sorts/comment-page-1/#comment-224</link>
		<dc:creator>cautious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was no instant salvation because then the process would have been involuntary. Man in the image of God is not a robot, but has a free will, like Adam had a free will. Only problem, with his free will he chose to disobey God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was no instant salvation because then the process would have been involuntary. Man in the image of God is not a robot, but has a free will, like Adam had a free will. Only problem, with his free will he chose to disobey God.</p>
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		<title>By: cautious</title>
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		<dc:creator>cautious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why do historical processes keep churning?&quot; ....I&#039;d say because there are still 2 kingdoms. They might partly overlap in places, but they are not totally congruent. Could that be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why do historical processes keep churning?&#8221; &#8230;.I&#8217;d say because there are still 2 kingdoms. They might partly overlap in places, but they are not totally congruent. Could that be?</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s how it seems to me, too...  I think part of what makes Jesus (*the* Christ) special is that somehow something that goes with the role involves accessing the keys of the universe; somehow making himself part of the same thing that God the Father and the Spirit are about. And something about that seems to connect with us, too, perhaps because Jesus appeared in human form; or else the appearance of Jesus is an effect of a deeper Cause.

I get the sense that cause and effect in the &#039;real world&#039; (the spiritual world) don&#039;t necessarily work along our world&#039;s timeline; that causes and effects can be widely separated in time and space. So the same process that caused Christ to be woven into the fabric of the universe as Jesus also weaves a little bit of Him into all of us, I think; or at least, it does if we listen to His voice.

The other sense I get is that Jesus somehow *represents* all of humankind (and perhaps non-human life too) - as if like one of those pictures where each little dot is itself a photograph, His face is made up of our individual lives (the real, Christ-like part of them); and yet He&#039;s also a single, real person. I think it works something like that; so that when we look at Him, we&#039;re actually also looking at the best parts of ourselves. Because it&#039;s His nature to give away everything that&#039;s His, and keep nothing of His own.

The part that&#039;s really hard to understand is, if this is really real, and Jesus *is* the promised Christ - the physical manifestation of the Godhead - as Christianity claims, why 2000 years after His birth we seem to be still largely wandering around in the darkness, ignorant of what His presence must really be. If after His resurrection He&#039;s not just a cosmic force, but a real person, like Mary and all the saints, really out there and occasionally popping up in history to do serious miracles, and in the meantime... praying for us? Holding back the darkness? Or running other mysterious errands? ... how come we&#039;ve still got wars, and such? How come there wasn&#039;t a huge blaze of light in AD 33 and instant salvation/enlightenment across the planet? Why do historical processes seem to keep churning along like they did a thousand years earlier, and then the slow ramp up through the fall of Rome and the rise of Europe, ships, gunpowder, WW2, nukes, electronics? Where does the special power of Christ fit in against the historical/technological curve? Was it literally Jesus or one of his disciples who helped us invent the transistor and TCP/IP? Or is he working on something even stranger?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s how it seems to me, too&#8230;  I think part of what makes Jesus (*the* Christ) special is that somehow something that goes with the role involves accessing the keys of the universe; somehow making himself part of the same thing that God the Father and the Spirit are about. And something about that seems to connect with us, too, perhaps because Jesus appeared in human form; or else the appearance of Jesus is an effect of a deeper Cause.</p>
<p>I get the sense that cause and effect in the &#8216;real world&#8217; (the spiritual world) don&#8217;t necessarily work along our world&#8217;s timeline; that causes and effects can be widely separated in time and space. So the same process that caused Christ to be woven into the fabric of the universe as Jesus also weaves a little bit of Him into all of us, I think; or at least, it does if we listen to His voice.</p>
<p>The other sense I get is that Jesus somehow *represents* all of humankind (and perhaps non-human life too) &#8211; as if like one of those pictures where each little dot is itself a photograph, His face is made up of our individual lives (the real, Christ-like part of them); and yet He&#8217;s also a single, real person. I think it works something like that; so that when we look at Him, we&#8217;re actually also looking at the best parts of ourselves. Because it&#8217;s His nature to give away everything that&#8217;s His, and keep nothing of His own.</p>
<p>The part that&#8217;s really hard to understand is, if this is really real, and Jesus *is* the promised Christ &#8211; the physical manifestation of the Godhead &#8211; as Christianity claims, why 2000 years after His birth we seem to be still largely wandering around in the darkness, ignorant of what His presence must really be. If after His resurrection He&#8217;s not just a cosmic force, but a real person, like Mary and all the saints, really out there and occasionally popping up in history to do serious miracles, and in the meantime&#8230; praying for us? Holding back the darkness? Or running other mysterious errands? &#8230; how come we&#8217;ve still got wars, and such? How come there wasn&#8217;t a huge blaze of light in AD 33 and instant salvation/enlightenment across the planet? Why do historical processes seem to keep churning along like they did a thousand years earlier, and then the slow ramp up through the fall of Rome and the rise of Europe, ships, gunpowder, WW2, nukes, electronics? Where does the special power of Christ fit in against the historical/technological curve? Was it literally Jesus or one of his disciples who helped us invent the transistor and TCP/IP? Or is he working on something even stranger?</p>
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		<title>By: cautious</title>
		<link>http://natecull.org/wordpress/2007/10/09/a-mission-statement-of-sorts/comment-page-1/#comment-213</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 01:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is this Christ  person... entity...force...thing...something real?&quot;.............. It is a title, sort of like webmaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is this Christ  person&#8230; entity&#8230;force&#8230;thing&#8230;something real?&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. It is a title, sort of like webmaster.</p>
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